Gas Explosions!! My ideas and theories

[Com34X]

First off, let me say that no idea is stupid and respect goes out to anyone who may have lost someone due to this area's unknown activity. There are things that we do not understand. I believe that there are possibly other dimensions, areas of the universe and am fairly certain of spirtual realm(Astral). However, from my reading, the case of the Bermuda triangle seems to be closed. You dont have to believe me, Im just stateing what I have found.

Scientist have found evidence that gas trapped deep below the ocean may be the cause of the Bermuda Triangle's strange events. There are a lot of theories floating around. Two major ones are aliens and the city of Atlantis. As far as Atlantis is concerned, Researchers found the most likely location in 2004. It is not within the Bermuda Triangle area. Its Near Cyprus. Aliens I do not rule out one bit, but think about this for a minute. Aliens would be much more intelligent and have greater technology. They would probably understand existance on a higher level meaning they appreciate life and understand it. Why would they harm us? If so they would have destroyed our world by now. We are not a threat to them. We are a threat to ourselves with the wars we start and the neglect to our ecosystem.

Also the Bermuda Triangle area has lots of crazy weather patterns and does have different magnetic properties. We still dont know why that is but that accounts for the the disruption of compasses and other navigational tools. The whole idea of the gas to sum it all up is, the change in weather can create the gas below sea level to be released basically causing an under water bomb. Boats and Planes can be affected by this. I would assume the smaller the object the more easily it would be affected by such an explosion.What about wreckage? You wont find any bodies because they either sunk along with the ship, or have exploded into many pieces, no different then a traditional bomb. Planes flying through the area who are in the path of the blast or fly through the smoke, will most likely be blown out of the sky or have engine failure. I would just like to know why is it that I have not heard of any major airplanes being lost? Also what about Cruise ships? It might be that they are both larger and have better technology to deal with anything that may come up. With this said, I think that the gas is the most likely cause. I cant however rule out if anything else is going on.

[dingodevil]

Quite interesting, but does it explain those wreckages found intact, like nothing ever happened (seemingly nothing happened!?), without the bodies ever to be found?! Anyway, these things are eerie and I don't know why, I seem to relate them to the H-bomb.....isn't it the one that supposedly kills people but leaves buildings and things untouched??

[iamhere]

Hi everyone. Gas is an ongoing hypothesis for different reasons, such as a loss of buoyancy to ships, as underwater gas is released in quantities that affect the water's composition, or into the air affecting aviation, but I'm not sure an underwater explosion would affect plane travel in any way unless the plane was at very low altitude. Gas doesn't seem to sufficiently explain communcation problems to the degree experienced by travelers, or the electromagnetic/static abnormalities that drain electronics and render batteries dead. Nor could it explain the eyewitness account of a survivor of an unusual tunnel which also resulted in a time displacement. If, somehow, the gas is charged in some way, this could account for the electric fog seen by many, which could cause electronic interference which could lead to communication failures, and might have magnetic properties which would send compasses spinning. So, gas will defenitely remain a possibility for many situations, but how can it explain the loss of an aircraft that was so close to the airport that it was just in visual range, then just disappeared? I can't remember what airport, or the flight number, but I remember reading about it in Gian's websight here some time ago. It was on one of the smaller islands somewhere in a populated, well established community. This, of course, is only my opinion, but it seems like strange gas might defenitely play into the picture, but not be the sole reason why strange things keep happening. Gas could be the result of something else that is happening, but it seems more like a link on a chain of phenomenon that must occur.

[bobcouttie]

With the caveat that there is nothing very special about the Bermuda Triangle in terms of maritime disappearances so there really is no phenomenon that actually requires a special explanation any more than ship disappearance in, say, the Black Sea, I'll address the theory, which has been the subject of scientific study since the 1980s. Google "gas" or "methane hydrates".

Could such and effect sink a ship if it occurred? It certainly could, but does it occur and does it occur often enough to account for vessel disappearances. As of this moment there is no reported case of a ship being sunk by such a phenomenon. It is not reasonable to assume that a release of gas would only occur when a ship is in the right place to be sunk and one would expect such releases to have been reported by vessels in the area and to have become evident during the many survies of this very well-travelled region.

More importantly, there is the issue of the water pressure which keeps the gas in place as hydrate in the same way that the pressure inside a bottle of cola keeps its gas in solution until the cap is released, lowering the pressure and allowing the gas to form bubbles.

To release the gas from the hydrate would require significant lowering of the sealevel, as happened about 15,000 years ago when much water was locked up in ice.

Together with the lack of an observed phenomenon indicating escaping gas,and of course the fact that the Bermuda Triangle is no more hazardous than most other parts of the world, the physics involved make it extremely unlikely.

Anyone seriously interested in the Bermuda Triangle would do well to spend time reading maritime accident investigation reports and become familiar with how such accidents happen and how people behave when they occur, why distress signals are not sent and so forth.

[Gian]

Anyone seriously interested in the Bermuda Triangle would do well to spend time reading maritime accident investigation reports and become familiar with how such accidents happen and how people behave when they occur, why distress signals are not sent and so forth.

I do read the reports. We're talking about disappearances here, not accidents. How did an accident report observe a disppearance in order to qualify your comment?

Together with the lack of an observed phenomenon indicating escaping gas,and of course the fact that the Bermuda Triangle is no more hazardous than most other parts of the world,

These are inductive and conclusionary statements. All logic, whether formal or natural, is based on deduction. Do you have any supportive evidence?

[bobcouttie]

"I do read the reports. "

Obviously I was not clear enough. In order to even begin assessing the Bermuda Triangle, at least as far as the maritime disappearances are concerned, one must be familiar with maritime accidents and casualties and disappearances and the reasons for them worldwide, not only in the Bermuda Triangle. The best way to gain that familiarity is to read accident reports by, for instance, flag and coastal states, many of which are publicly available.

Considerable research has been done into methane hydrates, including those in this particular area. Nobody has found so much as a bubble and physics, which are not a matter of opinion and in this case demonstrable and observable every time you open a bottle of carbonated pop, imply that given the water depths involved and the physical characteristics of the gasses involved, all experimentally observable phenomenae, that an escape of gasses is not the answer - assuming, of course, that there was anything that needed answering.

[Gian]

I quite agree with your opinion on gas hydrates. It has been stated on my site for nearly 10 years now. Also, most the hydrate beds are off the Carolinas, where most of the disappearances do not occur.

However, I also read the accident reports and briefs of other coastal areas and states. I am also the first one to have an NTSB database search done of all aircraft posted missing/ unrecoverable for the last 50 years. The Triangle area stands out starkly. Individual reports also highlight some rather unusual circumstances involved in some disappearances. Coast Guard stats are published yearly, but they do not cover missing vessels specifically. Database searches must be done at district HQs for vessels reported "overdue." From here one must weed out those that eventually came back, those that succumbed to piracy and storms, and then those that simply vanished cause not even suspected. "Merchant Vessels of the United States" and Lloyd's publications help with listing some disappearances. Bahamas Air-Sea Rescue also provide some info.

There are many sources, but frankly there is no one bureau nor set of publications that contain all the information. And the Coast Guard doesn't even investigate missing pleasure boats. There are no officially compiled statistics for them.

I touch briefly on the difficulties of public records on two pages on my site: Myths & Facts and My Research.

[bobcouttie]

One reason why I suggest studying accident reports, and not just those of Bermuda Triangle caes but cases around the world, many of which are publicly available (I'm not sure that I'd really hold up the NTSB as an especially good example, I think many of the European investigation agencies are better) is to get a feel for what does happen and what goes on aboard ship.

As for statistics, yes, they are difficult to nail down but a good potential source is the insurance industry. Their profits depend on getting the numbers right and they are more likely to have a global view than government agencies.

For instance, light aircraft losses are almost certainly under-reported in developing countries and there are likely to be more 'disappearances' there for a number of reasons.

[Gian]

I do read international accident reports. NTSB is perfectly reliable, and is one of the major investigating bureaus in the world, the successor of the Civil Aeronautic Board.

The problem with disappearances is that there is not much to investigate. This limits the relevance of comparing them with accident reports where the wreckage tells us cause and effect. No matter how many accident reports one reads, the data is relevant only to that case. What did happen in a disappearance? One’s favorite guess is not relevant or admissible.

It is not logical to compare stats from developing countries with those of the first world, for the obvious reason that developing countries naturally have so fewer aircraft registered there is no way they can compare. Comparing Coast Guard districts in the US is more to the point.

The Triangle also stands alone because of its overwater travel. There is little reason off Britain for as much overseas travel. This would be a far better argument for explaining the Triangle, if one merely wished to stop at stats. The Bahamas and Caribbean attract so much minor traffic (both planes and boats) that one would imagine accidents to be higher there. But the rub is that disappearance is the issue, not accident. There are many understandable accidents in the Triangle, but then there are also more disappearances than elsewhere in circumstances that seem impossible.

Comparing Coast Guard districts highlights the large disparity in numbers of disappearances in the Triangle (7th district) and others. Therefore, obviously, the insurance companies’ reports are not accurate. There is a statement that Lloyds did a comparison over 35 years ago. It is not clarified whether it was a clerk who had done a quick 45 minute search, or even what the parameters where, whether large or small vessels and only if they were Lloyds insured.

[rodney]

Oct 24, 2009 14:37:21 GMT -5 Gian said:

Therefore, obviously, the insurance companies’ reports are not accurate. There is a statement that Lloyds did a comparison over 35 years ago. It is not clarified whether it was a clerk who had done a quick 45 minute search, or even what the parameters where, whether large or small vessels and only if they were Lloyds insured.

Do you know what insurance rates are for shipping in the Triangle relative to other areas?

[Gian]

I personally don't know. There is no different rate for disappearance. It is considered a "total loss." So I would imagine that if the Triangle had the same number of accidents as elsewhere the insurance rates would and could be no different. One reason why insurance stats aren't reflective of any phenomenon. A greater proportion of disappearances would still be under the greater heading of "accident."

It's for the inidvidual investigator to dig deeper to see what's up. In the Triangle, this uncovers circumstances that are bizarre, and survivors who relate some very unusual occurances, none of which are told by sea-farers in other parts of the world so frequently.