Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #1 on Dec 14, 2009, 4:34pm »
This is the one I was referring to. I recall Keefe saying that the plane wreck had been known for some years. Steve Baker had informed me of some of the other stuff of the shoot. I recall identifying the aircraft as a DC-3 for him from a picture he showed me of cowling flap. But I recall asking him what color the plane was, and I think he said dark and I asked "like olvie?" and he confirmed that. That sounds like a C-47 to me, not NC16002. You brought up a Beldon wire, is that not so?
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #2 on Dec 9, 2009, 2:40pm »
The DC3 "from the 1980s" is the one off Bimini, just to the south of the island, about 150 yards offshore. It was shown on the MysteryQuest show and has been on lots of other shows. And yes, the story of that one is known and it was involved in drugs. It is so visually appealing and easy to get to that just about every show wants to film it. Oddly, there is another crashed plane inside the islands, in water less than 1-foot deep.
The one from the Nat Geo show had been discovered about 7 miles south of Bimini about 3 months before we went there with them to investigate it. A local who works with us had unexpectedly found a piece of that plane a week before we went to Bimini and told us about it. He was able to refind it when we were there (3 months before the Nat Geo show) and we took some film and photos of it, but had a lot of other things to do so we didn't take any real time with it. (Further south we found another 5-6 planes, but still haven't investigated those.) I sent Nat Geo the film when they asked to see it, and they arranged a date to meet us there. The weather stopped us from taking our boat over...actually we got swamped by a huge wave, and we turned back and luckily made it back to Florida in a water-filled boat. We then flew to Bimini and chartered Bill Keefe's boat for a 1-day excursion to the plane. Keefe had never been in that area and didn't know about it---it is way too dangerous getting to it because of shallows. We asked the other 2 local charter operatorsif they knew about it, and said no, and were surprised it was there. From the engine and size of the wing I figured it was a DC3. (I am a pilot also.) To my knowledge no one else has ever looked at it.
I'm not a BT skeptic at all. I just think that the planes and ships are there, somewhere, waiting.
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #3 on Dec 8, 2009, 2:48pm »
The numbers above are necessary for doing a comparative with NTSB and CG for all districts, which the publication office and the FAA can lead you onto. In comparision to other areas of ocean as covered by districts, there are still more disappearances in the Triangle and certainly as you say more strange happenings. A dead spot also exists south of Everglades City. Dead Spots are old news in the Triangle and especially around Bimini. Zink, Keefe, et al have noted unexplained compass variations, etc.
I was told the wreck of the DC-3 was known to date from the 1980s.
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #4 on Dec 7, 2009, 4:58pm »
I forgot to mention that we were using side-scan radar off extreme North Andros on April 10, 2007 when a Piper went down off the Berry Islands, just to the NE of where we were. We saw the lone search plane that was sent out to look for any remains of the plane. They buzzed us at 200-feet or so several times. Later we spoke to a pilot at the closest airport who said he was there when the request for a search plane came in and also when the plane returned. Not a trace was found, but the tongue of the Ocean is really rough and deep there.
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #5 on Dec 7, 2009, 4:01pm »
Thanks for this...
First, yes the Nat Geo show aired, but I have seen only 10 minutes of it, however, it was extremely well done. (I don't have a copy of it.) They took the parts we recovered to the UK and actually made matches to them on a DC-3, a sister plane to the 1948 DC3 disappearance. It was actually amazing as they held the recovered parts right next to the installed duplicates...all the numbers matched perfectly and the 1948 stamped part was a replacement. Their conclusion is that it was probably NC-16002. Because of the location it is completely understandable why it hadn't been found before and also why nothing was ever recovered from it. At some point we may go back and get an engine number as we did find one of them. But I can't say with absolute certainty that this was that plane. Oddly, we found the planes' batteries, which played a role in the story.
We also have 4-5 other parts of various planes we found and several ID plates from parts. We have found 22 planes to date. We do know for certain that we found the tail section of of the formerly "disappeared" 1966 Cessna 172-H — N-1483F...it was found on the shore of west Andros. We got a lot of film and photos of it before locals dragged it into water again to use as a fishing spot trap.
The question about a statistical study wasn't about raw numbers. It refers to whether or not a statistically higher number of planes/boats disappear in the BT area as compared to other areas. That would take a study using something like an ANOVA (analysis of variance) or perhaps even something simple like a chi square analysis. I do believe there are more strange disappearaces in the BT area, but other than obvious pilot "error" and other things I can't say why. I will say that we have found that satellite phones do not work in the area from Bimini to Andros, and we once had 4 different satellite phones in our team. Not one could pick up a signal and it actually caused a series of problems for the team. WE have also heard several stories from locals about odd things that happen, and I can add that there have been quite a few disappearances of local fishermen that never make the news. Locally, these things are just accepted and nothing is ever done.
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #6 on Dec 7, 2009, 1:08pm »
I found something even better. The Coast Guard did an extract for me (which I had forgotten about) back in 1996. See the links below. This is for all recreational vessels posted missing between 1990 and 1995 in the districts tht cover the Triangle.
Stats are done each year through Commandant Publication with the Department of Transport. You would want SAR Statistics. The Commandant's Office in washington DC would be able to refer you to who retails their publications now. (202) 267-1054
In comparing District Stats in this publication, you will notice some SAR eye-openers. Taking 1993's (which is so far all I have found), let's compare 2nd Coast Guard District and 17th (not the 7th yet). For that Fiscal Year total number of cases were 1,384, with 1,890 sorties. 4,350 persons were assisted. For that same year, the 17th Coast Guard District stats were 1,173 cases; total number of search sorties 2,146; persons assisted 1,956.
The differences are not that appreciative. They reflect the amount of traffic and SAR calls for assistence. Both districts are not that populous, however.
But in taking 1st District (New England) and 7th (Triangle) were are overwhelmed at the amount of traffic and trouble encountered in both—tumultuous New England weather and the Triangle's far oceans and tropic destinations. For 1993 total number of cases 1st District, 9,163; sorties 14,266; persons assisted 22,927; For the Triangle (7th District) they are 10,220; sorties 17, 480; persons assisted 20,912.
However, when asking for extracts for missing vessels or in searching the Database of the NTSB, one sees the disparity in number of disappearances. The 7th District (Triangle) doesn't really stand out inordinantly from other districts in mishaps and calls for assistance (it's about 1,000 more than New England), but disappearances remain noticeably higher in proportation.
Search NTSB database for 1990-1999 and compare missing aircraft stats. Contact 7th District HQ, Miami, and they might do a database search there for free (once), but they might charge upwards of a couple hundred bucks.
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #8 on Dec 2, 2009, 10:16pm »
Yes, I have. I did it between districts and have some of it in my book. Coast Guard searches at 7th CGD Miami can help you as well, plus NTSB database searches.
Did the Nat. Geo. ever get on the air? They had me look at some of the wreckage you brought up (The DC-3).
Cadet, I'm still going through boxes. I found 1993's published stats and will scan and post pages so you can see. Then I'll get the contact for you to order your own recent ones.
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #9 on Nov 29, 2009, 8:12pm »
Gian: I have heard so many people state that the Bermuda Triangle area statistically has no more disappearances than other areas...but I have never seen or heard of a single statistical study regarding this. Have you ever seen or heard of an actual study that evaluated the relative level of accidents/disappearances over one body of water or land and compared it to another? Thanks, Dr Greg Little
Re: Bermuda Triangle vs. Other Ocean Areas « Result #10 on Nov 14, 2009, 6:55pm »
Gian--Thanks for the feedback. I know all this takes time so when you get it together, just let me know here or I can supply my personal e-mail if that would be easier. I appreciate all the effort you're putting into this. cadet
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